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>> very important. these are veterans trying to help people go through an awful, all of situation. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer reporting from boston. i'll be reporting tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m. until 11:00 a.m. eastern and be back here in "the situation room" at 5:00 p.m. eastern. for now, let's go to erin burnett "outfront." "outfront," next, breaking news, the very latest on the investigation. what did dzhokhar tsarnaev tell investigators today about the roots of the boston marathon plan? plus, who is the man that may have been responsible for the radicalization? and blown away. if you can imagine shrapnel hitting your body before hearing the blast. why some near the bomb survived and others did not. let's go "outfront."
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good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. tonight we begin with breaking news. tonight the bombing suspect tells investigators that the wars in afghanistan and iraq were motivating factors behind the attacks. in addition, we're covering the terror attack on boston from every angle. tonight, in boston, jake tapper on what dzhokhar tsarnaev told investigators today and brian todd with new details on where the bombers may have purchased their explosives. and david mattingly with new clues on what prompted tsarnaev's radicalization right here in the united states. and then, nic robber ton is going to travel to dagestan where tamerlan spent six months doing what? and new details on katherine
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russell. finally, here in new york, deb feyerick on tam ran's connection to a bizarre, unsolved triple murder case. i want to begin with jake tapper in boston. what have you learned about what dzhokhar is telling investigators? i know there's been preliminary interviews and you've been getting the nuts and bolts and details about how they have been communicating and what he said. >> reporter: that's right, erin. u.s. government official has relayed to me some of the news from dzhokhar tsarnaev in his discussions with investigators. we learned last night that he was talking about how there were no foreign terrorist organize sgra zagss involved, that his brother was the driving force and jihad in nature considering themselves to be under attack as muslims and trying to fight back. that is what dzhokhar has been telling investigators. so i don't want to -- i want to make sure everyone understands,
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this is what he is saying. in addition, we found out some more details. one of them that is the wars in iraq and afghanistan are part of the motivating factors, part of this jihadist mind set, believing themselves to be under attack. in addition, erin, we also found out that, according to dzhokhar, again, take it with a grain of salt, he and his brother were self-radicalized. they were radicalized by watching videos on the internet. now, among those videos it is told likely, likely from this government official that the preachings of cleric anwar almaleki key that that was part of the self radicalization and a magazine called "inspire" put out by an al qaeda affiliate with instructions in the past about how to make a bomb. investigators are looking into whether or not that played a role in that.
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they have not had an conclusion as of now. >> jake tapper, thank you very much. the latest is that dzhokhar is telling the investigators that the wars in iraq and afghan star were motivating factors. a a new detail as we try to figure out how this could have happened. i want to go to brian todd for more about how this could have happened. we're learning about a trip that tamerlan tsarnaev made to a fireworks show in february. where did they get the financial means but also the physical means to pull off this alleged attack. what did he buy on that trip? >> reporter: erin, we're told by the vice president of a company called phantom fireworks that tamerlan tsarnaev bought two reloadable mortar kits with 48 shells from their store in seabrook, new hampshire, on february 6th. that's about an hour west of boston. two mortar kits with 48 shells
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on february 6th. he asked the clerk what's the loudest and biggest thing you have. he paid about $200 for all of that. what's key here is that a law enforcement official tells cnn that this is not enough, not enough to construct or set off the kind of explosion that occurred during the boston marathon. so what did he use these for? that's not clear. some kind of -- we're told the kind of powder used in those explosives, in those types of fireworks may not be the kind of gunpowder or explosive power used in the explosion. so some answers and maybe a connection between those fireworks that he bought and the explosion, not quite clear yet. but we do know he bought two reloadable mortar kits on february 6th, 48 shells. but not enough to construct the kind of explosion that occurred. >> we'll find out more about
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where they might have bought other explosives but also where they tested these pressure cooker bombs. i want to go to nic roberson. he's in dagestan. we know the parents of the tsarnaev brothers live where you are tonight. we know that when tamerlan returned home here to the united states he posted a video. what can you tell us about that video and that man so we can understand how important he might be? >> reporter: sure. abu has been killed by russian security forces in a major shootout but he's about the same age as tamerlan, quite charismatic and perhaps what is significant about him, he's not a major name on the world stage,
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if you will, in terms of jihadist. so when tamerlan goes back home to the united states, posts this video online, he doesn't choose some major sort of jihadist from this area, a well-known figure. he uses someone who is lesser known. so has he made contact with him? has he made contact with some of his foot soldiers here? why has he become influenced by him? this is an area where there are daily attacks by rebels against security forces here just in the past couple of days a police chief attack, survives the attack last week, one policeman killed, another three injured in another major attack the week before a policeman and family attacked in a car bombing. there's this constant military threat going on while tamerlan is here himself. there's a huge double suicide bombing, 12 people killed, in this area with the attacks
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taking place and relatively small populations. so could he have met with him? was there some kind of direct influence here? those are the questions that people are asking right now. no hard answers as yet. >> nic, thank you very much, reporting live from dagestan. and still "outfront," whether clues were missed years before the bombings took place. plus, investigators are talking to the attorneys of tamerlan's american-born wife but why are they not talking to her. and what did tamerlan have to do with the murder of one of his friends? no one was charged in this triple murder. we have the story. ♪
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bombing case are tonight revisiting an unsolved crime from september 2011. let me explain it to you because this is truly biz sflar. one of tamerlan tsarnaev's closest friend and two other people were brutally murdered by having their throats slit. what does this case have to do with the boston attacks? deb feyerick is with me now ands that been investigating that. deb, when i saw this, it seemed almost too bizarre that he could have known someone involved in this triple murder and i know they are trying to find out the case was never closed. what have you learned? >> yeah, erin. what's fascinating about this entire thing is a number of agents investigating the marathon bombing have now turned their attention over to this grisly triple homicide. one of the reasons is that tamerlan and one of the victims were best friends. they were sparring partners and by all accounts they were very,
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very close to one another. well, that friend was killed back in september of 2011 and what's so interesting about it is that the way in which the individual was killed, he actually had his throat slit and the district attorney saying that it really -- his head was -- the victim's head was pulled back and then the throat slit from ear to ear. two other men also were there at the time and they, too, were killed in a similar way. now, why is this interesting? according to a source that we're speaking to, apparently tamerlan tsarnaev was one of the last people to see his friend alive. after that, about three months later, he decides to go to russia. so that's one of the reasons they are going back and they are looking at this because they do believe that the victims knew who the killers were and they are very clear to say killers, plural, that it wasn't just one individual that did this because, you have to remember, this man brendan mess, he was a
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mixed martial arts expert. so he would have been able to fight back had the situation presented itself. but instead, he was brutally killed along with two other people and one other thing, erin, at the crime scene, investigators found the bodies of the victims strewn with marijuana and cash that you would have expected to have been taken during a robbery. that was left behind. several thousand dollars worth. erin? >> that might imply some sort of an inside job or dispute among people working together. do they have any idea what the motivation was? was it some sort of a drug deal or not? did investigators ever talk to tamerlan when the crime actually first happened? >> you know, all good points. first of all, there's no indication that investigators ever spoke to tamerlan. now, it may have been that they were investigating this just as sort of a horrible but just sort of a drug case. there were no links at the time but now investigators are being looking at every single thing that seems out of the ordinary
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and clearly the fact that his best friend was killed in such a brutal way, just months before tamerlan goes to russia, that's one of the -- that's one thing that they want to re-examine. to investigators are pouring over the files of that case, erin. >> truly a strange thing. obviously they are going to try to get to the bottom of that, too. deb feyerick, thank you very much. ashleigh banfield is in boston and spoke to one of the sisters of the 2001 victim. what have you found out? >> reporter: erin, i'm just off the telephone of the sister of one of the murder victims in the triple homicide that deb feyerick was just telling me about. i just got off the phone with her. a couple things that she can confirm to me is that the district attorney has been in touch with her. she's meeting with them next week. investigators on that case are meeting with her and have been speaking with her since saturday. not only that, she confirms to
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me that the same detectives are still on that case and that they are detectives that she has spoken with. specifically they asked her this, what can you tell us about your brother's relationship with tamerlan, the now dead suspect in the boston bombings? these are the questions they asked of her. she felt like she couldn't really enlighten these detectives at all because she felt her brother wasn't a friend at or acquaintance at all of tamerlan tsarnaev. however, she does think this is a good development in the 18-month-old case of her brother and friends' murders and perhaps they will be able to get some kind of resolution. >> all right. thanks very much to ashleigh banfield. we're having a little bit of audio difficulty. it was important. i wanted to make sure you could
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hear it as best as we could. still "outfront," investigators believe tamerlan had a very strong influence over his younger brother and tonight a psychologist joins us if one person can really convince another to do terrible things. is that a legitimate explanation or not? and up next, did the fbi drop the ball when tamerlan tsarnaev could have been stopped? there was a point he could have been stopped but was the fbi the ones that could do it? that's next. n dollars to grow j, cut middle class income taxes to the lowest rate in sixty years, and we're creating tax free zones for business startups. the new new york is working creating tens of thousands of new businesses, and we're just getting started. to grow or start your business visit thenewny.com
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the fbi is facing tough
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questions tonight about whether federal agents missed critical crew clues during their investigation of tamerlan tsarnaev even after russia raised a red flag about his radical islamic views two years ago. speaking before the senate judiciary committee, janet napolitano, a volatile region in russia has been plagued with radical violence. >> was your department aware of his travels to russia and if you weren't, the reason. >> the travel in 2012 that you're referring to? >> yes. >> yes, the system pinged when he was leaving the united states. by the time he returned, all investigations had been -- the matter had been closed. >> did the agency drop the ball? the question keeps building. congressman michael mccaul is
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"outfront" tonight. good to see you. >> thank you, erin. >> the fbi was aware of the recent trip to russia and found nothing derogatory but according to some reports, russia didn't stop there and as recently as november of last year, russia's secret service alerted the fbi about tamerlan's alleged contact with a militant. they said they didn't get an alert but i ask you, what did you know about whether russia warned the united states again about tsarnaev's extremist ties? >> the fbi told me that they were not warned again. let's look at the facts here. the fbi has denied they had any knowledge of his trip to russia. they had a lead opened on this individual that they closed and now we have the secretary of homeland security testifying that they knew he left and traveled to russia. when you look at the original russian intelligence wire, it basically indicates that this is a more dangerous person that may
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leave the united states and join an underground extremist group. so the idea when that flag went up, what was done with that information? the department of homeland security was created after 9/11 to make sure we didn't have this happen again, that the dots would be connected, that people would communicate and the problem is, dhs has this information and presumably the man on the jttf knows about this and the question that can't be answered right now when asked the director, is did the fbi know about this? and if he didn't know, why didn't he? >> right. and after the visit to russia, tsarnaev, as we understand at that point, came home and posted a lot of videos, including one from a radical muslim cleric. he was on their radar and then dismissed him but then he's posting radical videos.
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>> the idea that a ball was dropped, the idea that maybe dhs did not share that information with the fbi, after all we've been through after 9/11 and talking about connecting the dots and just maybe, if they did know that, wouldn't they have reopened that lead that they closed? now, i was told that the case was closed, there's nothing derogatory. but it seems to me if you know he's traveling back to russia after russia has warned the fbi of his behavior, it seems to me you could have reopened that lead and just maybe this could have been prevented. >> and there's a lot of people asking that question tonight, chairman. in the past, fbi has interviewed, investigated other people who have gone on to successfully commit attacks on u.s. soil. muhammad and nidal hasan charged with killing 13 people at the ft. hood, texas, shooting. this is a difficult question to ask but they are investigating
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thousands of people. is it acceptable or basically inevitable that someone is going to fall through the cracks? >> well, in fairness to them and i know working with the jttfs in the past, they have thousands of leads coming in all the time. >> yes. >> but as you mentioned in our letter to the secretary to the director of the fchl bi and to detective clapper, we raised the issue that you raised. five key individuals that were able to in most of the cases successfully pull off a terrorist attack that really slipped through the cracks and off their radar. my job as the chairman of homeland security is to examine what happened, what possibly what went wrong and how can i correct that in the future which is why we intend to hold hearings on this issue. >> the final question, sir, the younger brother dzhokhar is saying they acted alone. it's unclear whether that's what he's saying or whether that's actually true. there are reports that the oldest brother met with
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extremists in dagestan and questions about how he became a radical. do you think they truly acted alone at this point? >> i find that difficult to believe. i also find the idea that there wasn't any foreign connection difficult to believe. when you look how sophisticated these bombs were that they made, most of the experts i talked to indicate that there had to be some sort of trainer who trained them in this and some training ground that they went to to test these explosives. a he whether that happened over in chechen region or whether that happened in the boston area, we don't know the answer to that. but it is the job of the fbi and homeland security to cast a wide net to make sure if there's anybody else involved with this horrible bombing, that we catch them. >> chairman, good to talk to you again. appreciate it. i heard the chairman say, he finds it difficult to believe they didn't have foreign influence. still to m could, how did
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we have new details tonight about what motivated dzhokhar tsarnaev and his brother tamerlan to allegedly carry out the boston marathon terror attack in which three were killed, more than 260 were injured. now, according to a government official, dzhokhar tsarnaev has said that the war in afghanistan and iraq were the reason that they decided to set off the deadly bombs. he has also told investigators that the brothers were self-radicalized. again, this is what he's saying. but how could these two chechen immigrants have become jihadists? our david mattingly is "outfront" with the story. >> reporter: eyewitness photos and a federal law enforcement official tells cnn that tsarnaev's own brother said that he's not only the master mind behind the bombing but motivated behind a jihadist call for
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so-called attacks on islam, a self-made radical with a wealth of information at his fingertips. >> there are over 8,000 websites that are -- that have very extremist radical ideology. >> reporter: 8,000? >> over 8,000 websites. >> reporter: studying the reach and impact of online jihadist sites. >> how many of these offer explanations or instructions on how to build weapons? >> reporter: so . >> some of them do. >> reporter: they are trying to find out if this could be providing the blueprints for the bombs that tsarnaev used but there are doubts that he could have built the devices successfully without some kind of training. >> the fact that five of his bombs went off is as extraordinary piece of luck or he knew what he was doing. i don't see any middle way. >> reporter: bob baer believes tsarnaev could have had personal
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contact with jihadists when he visited russia in 2012. after returning to the u.s., a video known as abu dujana was posted and then removed fr. >> there's something we're missing. i have an uneasy feeling about it. not having the facts i can't assure you 100%. >> reporter: tsarnaev's brother claims they had no contact with any foreign terrorist organization. and online preachings of anwar al awlaki are likely influences but it proves elusive, there is no doubt in his ability to conceal the sinister plans from those closest to i am hahim, hi parents and even his wife. >> this came as an absolute shock to them all.
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>> the statement from the attorney of the wife, his wife wasn't the only one expressing dismay over his actions, you also heard from his sisters, right? >> reporter: that's right. hearing from the sisters today as well, they speaking through their attorney releasing a statement saying that they were dismayed as well expressing sorrow over what they saw, calling it a callous act saying, we don't have any answers but we look forward to a thorough investigation and hope to learn more. the same position just about everyone close to these two men are taking today. >> and david, does the family have any -- i mean, we're all just trying to find out when they were radicalized. i know the younger brother is saying it happened here in the u.s. but certain pieces of data indicates that may not be totally the truth. does the family have theories about what happened to tamerlan tsarnaev, when he became a jihadist? >> reporter: cnn has heard from
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their uncle here in the u.s. he spoke extensively about his thoughts on this. he said there was one man in tim who converted to islam, immigrated to the u.s. and that he had a lot of influence over the older brother a couple of years ago but no evidence of radical lie sdplags from that individual, just someone who got him to go back and start worshipping again and become more devout. the radicalization, and everything we're hearing coming from the investigation and his younger brother is that the older brother came radicalized simply by what he was seeing on the internet. >> david mattingly, thank you. federal investigators are trying to piece this together, trying to get answers. they are talking to lawyers for tamerlan tsarnaev's widow. but why are they not talking to her directly? according to her attorneys, the 24-year-old rhode island native is cooperating with the investigation and knew nothing about the bombings.
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it's still unclear exactly what she did know. our understanding, of course, chris lawrence has reported that she seemed to have been living with him in boston with their young daughter in the time leading up to and when this happened. chris lawrence is in rhode island tonight with the latest. chris, i know her attorneys are talking to the fbi. but why isn't she? >> reporter: well, if she is, erin, her lauwyers are certainl not admitting that publicly. the lawyers are telling us that they are talking to the investigators on her behalf but they won't confirm whether katy russell has spoken with them directly, one on one. that said, she wants to get to the bottom of this and has nothing to hide. >> she is doing everything she can to assist in the ongoing investigation. >> the injuries and loss of life to people who came to celebrate
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a race and a holiday has caused p profound distress and sorrow to katy and her family. the reports of involvement by her husband and brother-in-law came as an absolute shock to them all. >> reporter: so much of a shock that the attorneys say she last saw her husband on thursday when she left for work and that the husband was home with their young daughter. that was, of course, before the fbi released those videos and pictures that set off this manhunt, erin. >> chris, before the video came out but after the act happened. she was living in a very cramped apartment in cambridge. the pictures we've been shown appear to be cluttered. they had explosives, all this stuff going on. how is it possible she lived there and did not know that something was amiss? >> reporter: i think you've hit on the big reason why investigators really want to talk to her as they try to piece
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together exactly when and where tamerlan may have tried to assemble some of those bombs. the lawyers will say that, a, she didn't speak russian so she didn't always understand everything that was being said. they also say that she spent a lot of time out of the house. sometimes up to six, seven days a week, 70 hours working as a home health care aide so she wasn't there very much a he really didn't spend a whole lot of time around the younger brother who was back and forth to u-mass. >> she was working incredibly hard. thanks very much to chris lawrence who's been doing the legwork reporting on tamerlan tsarnaev's wife. according to government officials, the tsarnaev brothers became self-radicalized by their own accord, at least that's what the younger brother has said so far in interviews from his hospital room. but how did they end up taking the pact and did they record
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others? counseling people with radical of the director of freedom and mind research center. thank you so much. i'm really glad to talk to you because everything we have heard seems to indicate -- and i want to emphasize -- seems to indicate that this happened over a short period of time, whether it was a few years or a year, it happened very quickly that they went from being normal, all-american kids, even more recently the younger brother out partying, having fun with his friends and then all of a sudden becomes a jihadist. does this happen just from the internet? >> it doesn't -- i don't think that the older brother was recruited just from the internet. the latest information confirms my suspicion that in fact there was a person who began indoctrinating the older brother. i want to say when i was recruited into a cult in 1974, it took two weeks for me to drop out of college, quit my job, donate my bank account and believe that the messiah was on
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earth. so, yes, it can happen very fast. >> that's incredible. you say that and it brings to mind katherine russell. we've shown pictures of her in high school, a student, graduating college, she wanted to join the peace corps. those are her goals and she changed dramatically. she dropped out of school and started wearing the head scarf, converted to islam, she changed her life, had a baby instead of finishing college. some people might say, that's the choice some people make. is it healthy or not? >> it's a stereotypical scenario of an undue influence situation, in my opinion. and what people don't understand is that intelligent, educated people can be deceptively recruited, incrementally often, with hypnosis, with different type of mind control techniques, behavior control, information control, phobias can be
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installed in people's minds very fast. and systematically, step by step. no one in my 36 years of experience says i want to join a destructive cult and blow up people but people do fall in love with people and then they recruit them and indoctrinate them or they meet a comrade and step by step they get indoctrinated and then family members and friends witness this personality change but they are frozen because they don't know what to do to help their loved one. >> the thing that i just haven't been able to get my mind around at all, among many things, one of them is how the younger brother, dzhokhar, 19 years old, goes back to school, goes to the gym, goes to parties and in his dorm for three days as if nothing happened. that's what everyone says, as if nothing had happened. how is that possible? he had just killed people. >> it's very, very
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understandable if you understand the paradigm of disassociative disorder and the cult depresses a person's real identity. and the indoctrinate for probably said, go back to school and act as if nothing happened, then he's going to go back to school and act normally. completely stereotypical behavior, in my opinion. >> wow, just incredible to me to try to comprehend that. thank you so much, steven. still "outfront," the destructive force of a pressure cooker bomb. exactly how it explodes and what it means for the people who are closest to it. plus, the man who owns the boat where dzhokhar tsarnaev was hiding speaks out for the first time. what he saw and what it did to him, in his own words. >> if the people can get
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against lance armstrong. the usps paid approximately $40 million to sponsor the team, according to the court document. there had been a lot of questions whether the government would go ahead with this and we can confirm that they have. david was the man who tipped the officials to the whereabouts to dzhokhar tsarnaev. some time at night dzhokhar found refuge in a boat parked in the backyard. that boat belonged to whose home belongs a crime scene. he clears up how he stumbled on dzhokhar that night. >> i know people say there's blood in the boat, he saw blood and went in. >> reporter: not true? >> not true. no. >> reporter: word is, you saw the boat, pulled back the
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wrapping, you saw a body and >> no. 911? >> reporter: so you went to the garage and got a step ladder. >> i went up three steps and i can see through the shrink wrap. i didn't expect to see anything and i look in the boat over here on the floor and i see blood and -- >> a lot of blood? >> a lot of blood. and the engine box is in the middle -- there was a body. >> reporter: and at that moment, what did you do? what were you thinking at that moment? >> oh, my god. >> reporter: he couldn't see suspect number two's face. he was glad he couldn't see his face. >> well, i know i took three steps up the ladder. i don't remember stepping down off the ladder. this hits you more afterwards when you think, my god, we probably slept last night. this guy could be -- that -- you know, i don't know.
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it's -- it's surreal. >> reporter: in that instant, police responded and he and his wife were taken away. >> people are calling you national heroes. >> if the people that were killed can get some -- whoo. >> reporter: you know, in many ways, they do. >> then i'm at peace with it, you know. >> the man who made the call that night. and without him, law enforcement officials have said they wouldn't have found dzhokhar that night. let's check in with anderson cooper with a look at anderson 360. hey, anderson. >> erin, we're going to play more of that remarkable interview of the boat owner. in a span of days a man witnessed and survived both the horrors of the boston marathon and the fertilizer plant explosion in west texas.
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we're going to hear his incredible story. joe is his name, this incredible story ahead. plus, details of the breathtaking on "360." plus new details of breathtaking images. >> all right, anderson, we look forward to seeing you in a few moments from boston. more than a week from the bombings, 50 victims are hospitalized tonight. 13 have had amputations and three lost their lives. the destruction of two crude homemade devices. the pressure cooker detonator explodes with force, propelling thousands of sharp, searing objects through the air. explosive network detonated a similar device to show us the deadly force. >> four, three, two, one. they can travel 1,000, 2,000 feet a second. >> a second? that's faster than the speed of
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sound. >> right. these things will get in front of the shock wave and hit you before the pressure wave does. >> hit before you could hear it. faster than the speed of sound. that shows the impact of the shock wave as it moves out. in boston the packed marathon crowd from maximum carnage. dr. sanjay gupta joins me now to explain the injuries. i mean, on some level when you think about how many people were around, so many people are seriously injured. three people are dead. when you look at that do you think this was the maximum damage it could have done or could this have been a lot worse? >> well, it's a good question. and we know from talking to doctors there were carpenter nails. they get a huge amount of force in the pressure cooker and then
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it's indiscriminant in the way that it travels very fast. they can cause all sorts of different injuries, and it's really hard to predict. yeah, it could have been a lot worse to answer your question. when you fire a gun or a bullet, it's designed to travel at a certain speed, to go in a certain direction, maybe to tumble when it hits the body. this is like a scatter shock of things. you just don't know what you're going to see. >> david mattingly also talked about you hear it after it hits you. it goes faster than the speed of sound. are the injuries you get from these pieces of shrapnel, which are often distorted and twisted, unlike a bullet that has a firm shape to it, is this worse than you would get from a bullet? >> it could be. even the bullets are designed to do all sorts of things in the body. these bits can sort of do the
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same thing. so you get the primary blast that david was talking about. that can do things the to your intestine and eardrum. they can penetrate all these areas of the body. now the bbs or the ball bearings that david was describing and the doctors were describing in boston are perhaps the most concerning. they can really penetrate through the chest and go through the heart, a very, very smart wound. you may not even see it because of a deadly injury in the chest cavity. >> you don't see all the the injuries you may get. >> no. and that is difficult for doctors. in an emergency setting or war zones. people come in and look like they may be relatively okay. they may have a small piece of shrapnel that caused a tear in a
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blood vessel. >> that would be hard to remove. >> you wouldn't know to where to look. there are peeks walking around with over 100,000 pieces of shrapnel in their body. >> up next. he was accused of sending ricin to the president and his congressman. he says he was framed. on. [fight bell: ding, ding] how many here are google users? what if i was to tell you that you would actually like bing way more than google when it came to the results? prove it. let's look up some taco places. i like the left side. yeah? okay, do we need to find out what the waves are like down at the beach? what side do you like better? i like the results on the right. i'm gonna go with the one on the left. oh! bing won! people prefer bing over google for the web's top searches. don't believe it? go to bingiton.com and see what you're missing.
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a startling twist today in the ricin investigation, which you may have thought was over. no, not even beginning. the man arrested for allegedly sending mail containing deadly poison to the president and a u.s. senator was suddenly released with all the charges dropped. dan lothian is ourt with details and dan, what happened? >> you know, i think that's the question that everyone is asking tonight. we saw the government's case starting to unravel earlier today. they were in the third day of the preliminary hearings for 45-year-old paul curtis when suddenly the proceedings were halted. no reason given. and then a short time later curtis was released on bond. prosecutors were not saying what was behind all of this. it was clear though, at that
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time, that this case was unraveling. all along from the beginning, curtis, his attorneys, his legal team was saying ha he was innocent. they felt that he was framed. that there's a lot of information out there in social media. whether it's facebook or o other places where they could have gotten his writings and made it appear that he was behind the letters sent to the president and the senator. and today shortly after the announcement was made that the charges would be dismissed, the case would be dropped, then cur tis came out and spoke to the media. >> i respect president obama. i love my country and would never do anything to pose a threat to him or any other u.s. official. this past week has been a nightmare for myself and my family. my mother has suffered as well as my children. i would like to get back to normal. >> and now we wait to find out what the government will do next. all indications are